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icon Problem sa rezacem, ili..?15.12.2008. u 22:12 - pre 188 meseci
Imam problem sa narezivanjem diskova. Smatram sebe za barem malo naprednijeg korisnika, ali ispred mene je cudan problem.

Elem, odskora (mesec dana) DVD rezac je poceo da zabusava - ne vidi prazne verb.x16, duze vreme ucitavanja, vece koriscenje resursa tokom bilo kakvog rada i rezanje mediuma na brzini manjoj od 2x Standardni simptomi poznate boljke "optikusa_jeftinisa".

Pre par dana uzeh nov, nove ATA kablove, sve je ok, ali rezanje je opet... cudno.

Prijavljuje da reze brzinom 8x, 12x, kako se i naredi, ali rezanje traje 40min, isto kao i pre.

Zeleo bih da znam da li je ovo nesto trivijalno, podesavanje u BOIS-u npr. itd, ili je simptom nekog mnogo veceg problema.

Rezao sam nerom 6.6.60, asampoo 07, i uvek se kompilacije srezu, diskovi su upotrebljivi i rade, ali brzina~ 2x.

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mb ASUS A7V8x-x
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stara: LG GSA-H10N
nova: Samaung SH-S202J
RAM:1.2GB
 
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icon Re: Problem sa rezacem, ili..?16.12.2008. u 01:29 - pre 188 meseci
Sve si pomenuo ali nisi ono što je možda najvažnije, da li je rezač u DMA ili PIO modu?
 
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icon Re: Problem sa rezacem, ili..?16.12.2008. u 02:02 - pre 188 meseci
^ Nije bez znacaja u ponekim slucajevima ni da li je IDE kabl 40-pin ili 80-pin (ako nije rec o SATA uredjajima, a cini mi se da ovde nije taj slucaj)...
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icon Re: Problem sa rezacem, ili..?18.12.2008. u 00:18 - pre 188 meseci
Rezaci podrzavaju DMA mod. Calexx, hvala na hintu.

Pomoglo je malo oko brkanja standarda, ali opet se vraca na PIO posto mu ukljucim DMA mod.

Rezao sam sinoc brzinom 4x disk oko 20min, cisto radi probe. Danas, posle ukljucivanja kompa sistem je sam vratio dvd na PIO. Logicno pitanje je zasto to radi.

Dok je rezao ovu probu, previse je koristio resurse. Manje vise je normalno na mojoj kofig. slusati muziku preko winampa dok rezes, ali ja niam mogao ni mis da pomeram.

Pitam se da li bi reinstalacija resila problem, a mnogi su mi savetovali da hoce, kako ITevci, tako i strani i domaci forumasi.. Kao problem je do drajvera- to narano friska kopija windowsa resava 1 na 1.

Volim da znam sve moguce opcije, a jos vise da ih razumem- tu je lezi polovina odgovora na situaciju. Pa ako nije frka, par brainstorminga bi mi svakako pomoglo.

Probacu da brkam sa RAM modulima, videcu gde taj put vodi.

P.S. Take 5, jeste PATA uredjaj, razlika IDE 40-pin i 80-pin kabla je.. ? F1 plz

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P.P.S. Ove poruke postavljam u ime mog prijatelja, pa ne zamerite na kasnjenju sa odgovorima :) Davor
 
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icon Re: Problem sa rezacem, ili..?18.12.2008. u 01:36 - pre 188 meseci
Proveri da nije slučajno u biosu isključen DMA mada onda verovatno ne bi ni mogao da prebacuješ. Ovde je najčešće rešenje da se u Device Manageru izbriše ta grana, restartuje komp i onda on ponovo instalira ali sve radi.

Kablovi su u svakom slučaju 40-pinski samo što su tebi potrebni oni 80-žični kod kojih su žice tanje. Proguglaj malo, lako se razlikuju.
 
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icon Re: Problem sa rezacem, ili..?18.12.2008. u 02:09 - pre 188 meseci
40-pin vs 80-pin je razlika u brzini prenosa podataka (UDMA mode 2 vs UDMA mode 4)
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The original EIDE interface allowed for a maximum data transfer rate of 16 megabytes per second (MB/sec). The next data transfer improvement was accomplished with the introduction of the Ultra DMA or Ultra ATA interface. This is an interface patented by Quantum but supported by all motherboard and disk drive manufacturers. The technology involves an improvement in the governing electronics that deliver the hard disk data to the system board. Quantum succeeded in reducing the bottleneck that occurs in transferring data to/from the EIDE hard disks. The UDMA hard disk is no faster, but the data paths have been optimized. With the new protocol, the speed is doubled by allowing twice the data transfer per clock cycle. This is referred to as UDMA/33 (UDMA mode 2) and supposedly has a maximum data transfer rate of 33MB/sec. However, in practice, this maximum speed is rarely achieved.

In 1997-98 Intel and Quantum created another Ultra DMA standard called ATA/66 or UDMA/66 (UDMA mode 4). This protocol has a theoretical bandwidth of 66MB/sec. It also requires a cable with 80 conductors instead of the original 40. The 40 additional conductors are used for grounding. In the older cables, only seven conductors were used for grounding. This improved grounding removes the noise remaining in the cable after a transmission (crosstalk). In the UDMA/33 protocol the controller had to wait for noise in the cable to disappear before the next transmission. With the new cables the noise is dramatically reduced, so there is less delay in data transmission.
In spring of 2000, the IBM hard disks became so fast, that UDMA/66 became inadequate. These fast disks use a protocol called UDMA/100, developed by Quantum, who holds the Ultra DMA patents. Where UDMA/33 gave a very powerful boost in the bandwidth between controller and hard disk, UDMA/66 gives less of a gain in performance. On the other hand it solves a lot of compatibility problems by improving timings and other parameters in the UDMA specification. The UDMA/100 specification is reportedly simpler to implement in the chipset logic. Therefore it is cheaper to produce and fully compatible with both UDMA/33 and UDMA/66. It also provides another significant increase in hard drive performance.

The UDMA/100 interface has a theoretical bandwidth of 100MB/sec. This is more than any hard disk can deliver at present. However, the hard disk technology is improving rapidly, so disks may soon reach this limit. When that occurs, further improvements in data transfer technology will be needed. That new technology may be Serial ATA. Intel, Dell, IBM, Maxtor, Quantum and Seagate, and other partners are about to replace UDMA/100 with this new interface. The Serial ATA interface can transfer data at a rate of 160MB per second in its initial version (Serial ATA 1X or SA1X). Later versions are expected to provide bandwidths of up to 528MB per second. This will give us room for the next five years of hard disk technology improvements. It may also put the IDE technology ahead of SCSI for the first time.

"Take Five" is the famous jazz piece written by Paul Desmond and performed by The Dave Brubeck Quartet. It is famous for its distinctive saxophone line and use of the unusual quintuple (5/4) time, from which its name is derived.

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Take Five by Al Jarreau 1976
 
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